You are joined with so many ex harvesters that were wounded deeply by what became a toxic culture at HBC. and pro football. Based on just the first few paragraphs, I hear you! Harvest Bible Chapel has fired its founder and senior pastor James MacDonald following years of controversial behavior, financial scandal and allegations of bullying and intimidation. You are absolutely right about the fear! Data Coordination. Wow Nancy K, after all that has been said and done, seemingly over many years, it is startling to me that you would make such a commemtWow, Why? Jesus calls us to be GOOD. I should have walked out but, I too, was afraid. We too would pray and fast and seek the Lord as to what it was we could have done wrong as not one person from the church we had attended for years cared to find out where we were at. Praise and Worship is congregational: It was your Study that helped me be obedient to God. The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. Do You Really Have to Go to Church Every Sunday? see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/. It would be endearing to me and honoring to them. The Lord knows and he keeps the books. Is it perfect? Why if it wasnt really a real sinful mess would so many in leadership just exit and give up what was a big part of our lives and our kids lives? My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book. Therefore, we are at our most open to hurt. By the time I left, I had discovered something dark about myself: I was a woman/person ruled by fear. Be very careful Azaelea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjXhWUyGi0&list=PLud2nIxx0IAT58I8QPBdfrOz8bFMQQcd6&index=4&t=0s. Why not start a different type of church that is not pastor directed? Within days of their statement, MacDonald offered a public apology, admitting to careless and hurtful words and a regression into sinful patterns of fleshly anger and self-pity that wounded co-workers and others.. Conversions credited to women evangelists sharing the good news one-on-one in conversations. REALLY !! Christians! . Harvest used that phrase to manipulate the congregation. The sin that has taken place does not negate the awesome work that God has done, and it pains my heart to hear people act as if it does. Lina did try to have a conversation with the Elders before she left Harvest. Yet a week ago I posted on FB an invitation to open my house to anyone who needed to talk about their pain as it related to what was happening at Harvest. I have great empathy and sensitivity toward them. Not saying thete arent strong christians in leadership at this church but it does always seem that when pride gets in the way of leadership it hurts that person and everyone around them. He is very likely not a brother in Christ. I too visited Harvest. Harvest Bible Chapel Naples and its landlord have reached a settlement, ending a court battle to evict the church. I believe you are mistaken. And I find it odd that someone would have an opinion on that. The assistant pastor just tried to deflect and justify the pastors actions. Our Elders and Staff are committed to fulfilling our fiduciary duty as the leadership of this congregation, knowing that at times the outcome may be misunderstood or emotionally painful, the elders statement read, promising a more detailed plan for the churchs future in coming weeks. Do you realize the elders are already choosing to step down? I hate to be James because God judges leadership harsher than the regular sinner. The elders and pastoral board have created a team called Harvest 2020 to conduct a complete review of what happened, and of the church. Because Jeff is still lying to peoples faces with a smug grin as recently as Saturday night. The fired senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch is contending, in a new lawsuit, that an attorney and accountants hired by the church took part in a "smear . 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MacDonald defended the decision to sue fellow believers in an opinion piece published inChristianity Today,which also published criticism of MacDonald. We are taught in Gods Word that it is Christs love that ought to control us. I lost the bulk of my community virtually overnight. The church and its people helped create Pastor James He is not the only one involved it was a group effort. God is purifying His Church. Please pray for all of the member/attendees who are struggling, as we are grieving a loss of our church base and have felt the wrath, unfortunately. Instead, they have chosen to remain on the elder board and continue with the deep-seeded corruption and fraud that has plagued Harvest Bible Chapel for many years. I left Harvest about a year before you did, and I also stayed, for the most part, silent out of the same fear you described. While tens of thousands flocked to campus, school officials met in a storage closet to make decisions that would honor what is happening.. With my life and schedule, my friends are few and far between, and have always been aware that my saying anything publicly about Harvest or James would jeopardize those friendships that I still love and value so much. Read the Old Testament. Then God led him to Harvest Bible Chapel. That is why we keep talking. Transparency in finances As happens in evangelicalism, Harvest effectively became its own denomination, with MacDonald at its head. Thank you for being honest and speaking truth. Truth heals. The Harvest and James MacDonald Controversy Explained, Did Pharaoh Have Free Will? This post reminds me of something that happened at my former church. Too many of these large churches have lost track of what their true purpose is. A Florida Lawyer Argues That a Pregnant Inmates Unborn Child Is Being Illegally Detained, Experts Predict the Ozone Layer Will Fully Heal Within 40 Years, The Biblical Reasons for Going Low Waste, The Spiritual Toll of Americas Food Waste Epidemic, The Buffalo Supermarket Shooter Has Been Sentenced to Life in Prison. This is hardly a local issue in the Western church. Quit pointing fingers, justifying why and stirring the pot. You did the right thing and I believe more will step up not to dishonor James, but noticing how much the church has changed. Ive been in the medical field for over 40 years and know a thing or two about human anatomy. All this comes on the heels of another scandal. Dan was a part of this elder board with these 7 elders and he details only some of the fraud . I believe Lina did do the best she could at the time. Many were kicked out and shown the door. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand., And even JMac was right when he quoted 1 Corinthians 16:13: Check out Moreno website, http://www.godsonlygospel.com. I did not fear God as much as I feared James and longed for his approval. We are conditioned to believe that leaving silently is whats best for the church and in some cases thats true. If you personally were not in a position to be damaged by James, do not judge those who were susceptible to the wrath damage of James. I have been looking for a church like this for years. (images of wife beating and mental control come to mind) Your mission and your ministry is beautiful and changing lives. I dont understand how anyone could watch that video and not immediately know that something was very, very wrong. Did you realize elders and pastors are personally apologizing g to people? Do not judge the timing, Gods timing is Always Perfect. I didnt want to upset James. DIRECTIONS & INFO | . Your time at Harvest made a huge impact to my small group and strengthened my faith in Christ . For years, I kept believing the deception fed to the congregation by the elders. Your two posts make no sense I hope you get some sense and realize people in Church are not infallible only Jesus! If Harvest and James can answer that, without focusing merely upon what they do, it would be helpful. I still hold fast to the hope he will take all this to Jesus. Jesus called out hypocrisy in the religious leaders. Subscribers receive full access to the archives. I pray for the leaders. Are you straining at a gnat but swallowing a camel? superstar pastors are always ,inevitably, trouble. Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Different situations require different things. Their letter covered MacDonalds self-promotionlove of moneydomineering and bullying abusive speech[and] outbursts of anger.. Such a good post Lina. Conversions credited to women evangelists sharing the good news one-on-one in conversations. I have wondered if Harvest Bible Chapel (the organization) is worth the cost its taken to try and save it? Lastly, we need to comfort hurting today, she wrote. I have since moved on and seen God do some pretty amazing God-sized miracles in my life and ministry (evidently, God does work outside of the walls of Harvest Bible Chapel!). Love for God, relationships, and the church. for what its worth, the timing of the writing is His perfect timing. Because evangelical megachurches are typically formed around a single charismatic individual, elder boards are generally loathe to consider letting this individual go. I stay with confidence that God will not be mocked, he knows the perfect balance of justice and mercy, he will redeem this pain and we will witness HIS power in HIS church. It was not supposed to be that way. She will be one of many many many many who come forward so if you dont like it, dont read. For a great many, it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened again., Today on his edgy radio show, Muller said while he felt MacDonalds firing had to happen, he also had wanted nothing to do with any of it and now my part is done., I feel like God was using me in this, he said. maybe its time for all of us to wake up. I hope they succeed in bringing people back to the church! We just determined to treat the circumstances as a loving God giving us a different direction. Have you not read these passages? How long will we wait to begin the healing process within ourselves and between each other? 2 Thumbs Way up to you my sister in Christ, for being open about your experience there, which more people than you know have also been through! Im sure I will find much more to comment on, but I hope to leave it at that as an encouragement to you. I have had similar experiences at The Chapel . I am excited for all God is doing in your life to help other women get closer in their relationship with Jesus. Thank you for this post. I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. needless to say she did not go back and found a great church she was able to become a part of during her college years. And I wont stand in the way of Christs work. To judge a fellow brother and think you know if he is a believer is dangerous. Continually praying for healing, reconciliation and restoration for His church. Hello: Prevent these types of money exchange corporations, Fear that your leaving would damage those you ministered to. Put faith in Gods justice and judgement upon all, now that sin has been exposed. What matters is truth be told. then the sermons and teaching were getting distorted and weird. Nellie, Your comments are without sound knowledge of the depth of this I am SO glad that Lina has allowed the grace of Christ to free her from the culture of fear that controls Harvest Bible Chapel, and I am impressed by her willingness to speak in such as grace-giving way that will speak freedom to others who are hurting from this. Hang in there. Id be interested in reading you blog on tattoos. Or share it. Pastor James MacDonald, of Harvest Bible Chapel, was given the boot last week by church elders after "highly inappropriate . Im a prostate cancer survivor and had radical prostatectomy in 2005. James MacDonald (born October 4, 1960) is a Canadian-born evangelical Christian pastor, television evangelist, and author. Show how we come together as one in the body of Christ! Dont find that in the Bible. Hearing these stories has helped me to realize I left just when I was supposed to. I see Jesus in youfrom one member of the Body to another. Christs grace saves us and sustains us. James is (was) a powerful force which could and did destroy people with his power and influence. Hidden things have come to light. I do believe you. or is it the congregations fault for being weak and gullible? I guess I felt like one of the peons of Harvest, and that me reaching out wouldnt matter, since I was not a part of the inner circle or personally close to you. I have seen this in many independent churches.THIs was done to me at a similar setting.The pastor One of things his way or the highway and there was no disagreement because he said it was leading to anarchy. I was brushed off. Leaving without speaking up was still an act of cowardice and self-preservation. Critics of the church are just bitter. Thank you for sharing and speaking truth Lina. A friend sent me a link to sermon about this yesterday: https://radical.net/sermon/kingdom-community/. 2023 RELEVANT Media Group, Inc. All Rights Reserved. you managed (a wording that says, you knew it was not right, but did so out of self protection) and humility because as Mancow is now saying, James had alligator tears of his hurt to make you feel guilty. James has all the characteristics of a false teacher. No church outside of the One True Church Christ began was given His authority to act on their own. With so much gaslighting going on and public take-downs of those who would speak truth to power, and your investment in the church industrial complex, I can imagine how difficult it wouldve been to speak out publicly at the time of your leaving. There the preacher has no real power at all. Not just Harvest Bible Chapel. My heart breaks for the ones who will walk away from church and walk away from God. It took months to get over the hurt he caused my husband and I. And the truth of many at Harvest. Jesus may be truly calling people to stay, and rebuild Harvest Bible Chapel. Im sorry that the doctrine that youve been taught says that life is about being kind and nice, rather than about being good. Does It Matter Where Your Clothes Come From? Harvest numbers 13,000 attendees across seven locations, and the church began affiliating with the Southern Baptist Convention in 2015. James MacDonald, founder of Harvest Bible Chapel in greater Chicago, who was recently fired under a cloud of financial abuse, was allegedly being paid nearly a million dollars per year in regular salary, had access to approximately a million more in discretionary spending, and is currently owed $2.6 million in deferred compensation by the While many in the congregation were willing to give it a second chance, some members raised concerns about many of these individuals closeness to MacDonald, and their willingness to cover for him for so long. Persecution or hardship drew them close. Authority? Dont stop trusting or loving. The moment I read about someone saying something about planting child pornography on the Christianity Todaycomputers, I knew I had to figure out what the heck was going on. Hoping you come back and teach a book of the Bible. One thing that has helped is recognizing seasons. 15:58 Therefore, my dear (sister) be steadfast,immovable,always excelling in the Lords work, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.. I praise your decision to own your ministry outside of James. I wondered if you had become a full time missionary and if that was why you quit writing. A woman who is full of fun loving life. I am ashamed to say that after being a member at Harvest for 8 years, that was the first real conversation I had had with an elder about the state of affairs of the church at that time. That timeline accelerated, when on Tuesday morning highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald were given to media and reported, they wrote. When I talk to people about this, they are quick to disqualify anyone who went along with James, who did not stand up to him. Dont listen to haters. James could have easily prayed, [] There are a couple of other reads that came to my attention this evening related to Harvest Bible Chapel that I wanted to make people aware. He spoke highly of you, and since then, I have occasionally prayed for you regarding your time and experience at HBC. Press on in Truth with Grace and Peace. You are courageous and your words bring healing. Harvest womans Tuesday bible study group has not studied a book of the Bible in a couple of years. It helps to be able to talk about it instead of feeling like you have to hide it, or just deal with it. God is a for-others being he can not lie, therefore, he can not be for Himself. I should have left that week, but I was too afraid to cause damage to Jesus and His kingdom and the women I was leading at that time. Thanks for writing it. I never attended HBC except for the one time when we visited several years ago and had to sit out in the foyer as the music was blasted out too loud. It also had a church-planting network, Harvest Bible Fellowship (HBF), which MacDonald dissolved last year. whos fault is this? There is no question in my mind that what I did see and experience increasingly at Harvest was a culture that functioned and was sustained by fear and the desire to please James at any cost. School of the Bible at 9:00am Wednesdaysat 7:00pm Give Online Contact Us 10088 N. Highway 99 Stockton, CA 95212 office@hbcstockton.org (209) 931-9548 Copyright 2023, Harvest Bible Church. Start praying to the Lord for healing. Muller had prematurely announced the pastors departure on Friday morning on his show on WLS 890 AM, going on to declare on Twitter, Conman Boss James Macdonald OUT of Harvest Church!. The beloved drink is both an attraction and a generational divide. Finally, we have landed at a church with a passion for others, our hearts have healed and by going there I was introduced to your bible study Resolved. It completed my healing. They helped to create this culture of fear. This is an extra difficult time for the members and regular attenders of Harvest Bible Chapel. Another church on The Lord's Way is on its way out. Instead, it was MacDonald and his inner circle that were making the decisions, unilaterally. I loved his book Vertical Church. I chose to believe the Bible and Gods promises. I simply could not reconcile the lies that were shared from the pulpit with the truths that I knew regarding issues in the church. That is who God truly cares about. Pastor James MacDonald preaches at Harvest Bible Chapel. One person (not from Harvest) asked if I needed to call the church to cancel my membership. The good intentions of our ministry partnership with Harvest Chicago have been overshadowed by these developments, he said. There are times in our lives and circumstances that its just not real clear as to how to address something, with as little harm to what is good, as possible. I have multiple thoughts. Thank you for your thoughts and strong, encouraging words. In a statement, the elders apologized to MacDonald and the congregation for the ways they had failed to live at peace with all men, as far is it depends on you (Rom. I volunteer in the childrens ministry and the youth ministry as well, pouring into children and youth. As a nation, something painful will bring us back. Also Thank you Lina for having the courage to say something now. thanks, The culture of fear is real, soo much so I dont feel comfortable giving my name as some will know me. The leader of that church, John Secrest, was blindsided by the news and asked Harvest elders to reconsider allowing MacDonald to preach there. That IS A LIE!! My experience was decades ago and in another state. She has admitted that she didnt speak up enough at the time. What should we be planning for, praying for, and what did Jesus teach about? The link was in my post above. Yes, God has this in hand, but that doesnt mean He wont ask His children to do the hard work of calling out sin in unrepentant believers. We warn the people of Harvest Bible Churchto separate themselves from these false messengers. I agree here. It is a really strange thing when persecution comes from the pastor and elders. It is now operating at James MacDonald Ministries. I too had been a part of HBC both as a staff member and member of the church and was there in total over 15 years. Bless you! Like you, Lina, Ive listened to people wounded by sin, power grabs and wrongdoing by Church leaders. I do pray that the entire senior leadership staff and elders who have participated in sheltering the truth for their own gain would be called out by the Lord. Then, a famous friend of his, Chicago shock jock Mancow Muller, spoke out in a local newspaper against the manipulation and ego he observed around MacDonalds cult of personality at Harvest. It is finally the truth coming to light from his own actions and the people who protected him for years. Fear is dead life a remnant of Satan. I have replied, I would have probably, as most have done, put my head in the sand and carried on doing the work God gave me to do. Even if the criticism in the letter had been unwarranted, this response is a huge red warning sign. Lina, Perhaps we can do something like that here in Davenport, too. Thank you for the courage and humility it takes to write a post like this. On February 13th, the elders at HBC fired MacDonald, citing highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald that were given to media the day before. Lean should read it and reply in kind. You are Loved I think I am gonna throw up. Those that havent gone through it ask why would you speak these things? Its difficult to understand how people can now know what they know and still only criticize the ones that feel compelled to now share their story. 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