They both say that they actually often forget that they're not biologically related. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Probably racist.]. And it just so happens this town is a perfect place to dig. And one of them is called the thyroid system. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Do you see the owl?]. But if you've got a mom who licks you. ROBERT: They won't grow much on the outside, but on the inside OLOV BYGREN: That is the time where the sperms are developing. Thanks to Frances Champagne and Michael Meany and Sam Kean, who writes about Paul Kammerer in his book, . She was totally an oops kid. And, I mean, I have straight A's and I'm making it work. His example with humans was a blacksmith. CARL ZIMMER: They'd spend more time in the water. ROBERT: Well, so here's the thing. So then over the next 70 some odd years, Lamarck basically became the poster boy for, like, the big dumb idea, the idea that you want to believe in but that you know isn't true. Just don't have any more children because, at that point, I didn't really know any of them. They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. ROBERT: But then, a few years would pass, crops would bounce back. Tell me what your image of a drug-using pregnant woman is. So Barbara and her son got in the car and drove across town to the foster home where Destiny had been living for the past eight months. It might be a mixture. He thought that you could kind of engineer societies by changing the environment. How old are your boys right now? Its gonna get messy. PAT: Isaiah would sleep and he would scream. She was thinking Can I offer these women money to use birth control? Wow. ROBERT: But the story he told us begins around 25 years ago. Because he couldn't hold formula down. How old are your boys right now? You know, like if you're abused as a kid, you were more likely to abuse your kid, but still, you got to wonder. PAT: All these women who have so many babies and never try to seek drug treatment. JAD: We all know this, that there are cycles of abuse or whatever. He was miserable to look at. If you were a boy in verkalix between the ages of 9 and 12 years old, that's the window, 9 to 12, you're a boy, and then we have one of those terribly rough winters, and you're eating much less than normal. ROBERT: Remind me this. But she says, you can tell right away, just by looking, that some rat moms don't lick their kids a lot. JAD: Just to be sure, we asked Frances Champagne what she thinks of this data. RADIOLAB Podcast "Inheritance" Homework Assignment Name: Rohan Desai PSUID: 9 6241 8529 Listen to the first three stories of the "Inheritance" Radiolab Podcast (Control + click on link to access podcast. Or very many of them right at all, but, you know, his basic idea seems to be true. Did you know there is a part of this show is gonna be like crazy breaking news, like happened yesterday and we already have a deep take on it? These are women who love their children, who sought help. All rights reserved. We actually sent our friend, Pejk Malinovski, to the archives in Stockholm to check it out. So we did stop. She's somewhere, but it's not good from what we've heard. My mom needed a girl and, boop! Go to him. I mean, were not gonna do that ourselves. ROBERT: Meaning that they had less incidence of heart disease? CARL ZIMMER: He was revealing it with experiments. We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. Basically, the midwife toad has a strange habit for toads. Okay, I'm here. JAD: Do you have any theories for how this tongue is tickling the DNA, or whatever it's doing? PAT: The moment I really felt like, "Whoa," was when we started talking about PAT: The little baby that we keep hearing in the background of everything. JAD: If they see methyl groups sitting on that bit of DNA, they are pissed. And he says, "This isn't a nuptial pad, it looks darkened but that's just ink.". The way she saw it, the state, the federal government, somebody Should say, "You're not doing this. I dont know. If you have a starving daddy, it turns out that the baby actually gets some sort of health benefit. But she says, you can tell right away, just by looking, that some rat moms don't lick their kids a lot. "To Whom It May Concern, I have been doing very good. Radiolab is a radio program broadcast on public radio stations in the United States, and a podcast available internationally, both produced by WNYC.Hosted by Latif Nasser and Lulu Miller, each episode focuses on a topic of a scientific and philosophical nature, through stories, interviews, and thought experiments.. Radiolab's broadcast edition airs as an hour-long program each week while the . Then 275 words will cost you $ 10, while 3 hours will cost you $ 50. Transcripts and recorded audio may be available for many of the programs you hear on WNYC. I think all parents do this, is that you slip into this Lamarckian delusion that What you do with your kids can somehow rewrite all of that. Inheritance from Radiolab on Podchaser, aired Friday, 1st April 2022. These people are paying millions of dollars to take care of your children!]. PEJK MALINOVSKI: It says "registrera", register. Then World War One came and that disrupted everything. It's only the mechanisms are not so clear. But I'm going to give them a basin of water. It says, "Race of Supermen." They have found very similar effects for smoking, for instance. That doesn't matter. ROBERT: So then the one that's in trouble, so thats one of one of eight? And then, Michael just launched into this thing. Radiolab - Transcripts Subscribe 187 episodes Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. JAD: So we're going to leave you with a story from our producer, Pat Walters, about one woman's radical JAD: A few months ago, Pat made his way down in North Carolina, to a small suburb outside of Charlotte to visit this family. We went to the foster home and went in. Who now works at Columbia University. That you're just renaming it. The team that creates each episode, including hosts Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich, are master storytellers. The women who I've worked with, who've had a history of drug problems, aren't like the examples that she gives. JAD: No, not brain cells. And I told Destiny I was thinking about this and asked her about it. Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. Well, this is it! Riksarkivet. More information about Sloan at. And Barbara found herself returning to a thought she'd kind of always had. And that advantage, whatever it was, because it starts with one individual, and then it gets passed onto the kids, and then onto their kids, it would take a long, long, long time to spread through the whole population because, generally, that's how evolution works. How was this woman allowed", BARBARA HARRIS: "To walk into the hospital and drop off a damaged baby and just walk away with no consequences?". In a very real way, weve been thinking a lot about inheritance. Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts What Up Holmes? The event that really sets this story in motion, the set of events, happened a few months after Barbara had brought Destiny home. PAT: And as soon as she got there to pick him up, she could tell that something was wrong. ROBERT: Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. All the babies I had seen and all the people that have called me to tell me about their babies that were damaged. JEAN KEAN: My name is Jean Kean. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. All these chemicals racing by crashing into it, sticking, and one of the bits that gets covered up is that little bit that makes the proteins that create a maternal instinct. PAT: Who gave Destiny her first checkup told Barbara BARBARA HARRIS: That she was delayed and she was always going to be delayed because of her prenatal neglect. ], I'm going to go out into the streets and offer addicted women money to use birth control. PAT: Because when a woman uses heroin while she's pregnant, the fetus gets hooked on it too. To fellow named Jean-Baptiste Pierre Antoine de Monet, chevalier de Lamarck. SAM KEAN: In a little community called verkalix. If your grandpa didn't starve, instead he lived through great times. If they see methyl groups sitting on that bit of DNA, they are pissed. SAM KEAN: Because it would reflect badly on the Soviet state. Do you know anything about the other four? No, I've only had somebody call and say they regret that they didn't stay on birth control. What happens, it'll get stuck to one little part of the DNA and now that little bit of DNA And these things are called, apparently, methyl groups. SAM KEAN: Darwin's theory would have said, you know, 90% of the toads are going to die. ROBERT: They could eat twice, three times as much. PAT: So we did stop. He was mighty skeptical. PEJK MALINOVSKI: And we have a lot more grain here. I'm Carl Zimmer's daughter. She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. And well just let the old yahoos from whom we inheritedededed inherited it take it away. I'm the founder and director of Project Prevention. I have to be creative.". The authoritative record of programming is the audio record. Radiolab branded apparel and accessories are available at the Official Radiolab Online Store, aka the Swag Lab. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: How bout this one?]. These women don't just have one and two babies. You just have to weigh it, is it worth it? And um Doctors would later explain to Barbara that Destiny's mom had been addicted to drugs while she was pregnant. Its something I still think about all the time. This is real physical-chemical interaction between what's going on in the environment and what's going on with the DNA. ROBERT: Which, when you think about it, it has a very Lamarckian flavor. Radiolab: Parasites Transcript For copyright reasons we can't provide a transcript of the WNYC Radiolab feature on parasites. Just until they hatch and then 'til they go off. Full disclosure, she's Robert's sister's partner. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: This is real physical-chemical interaction between what's going on in the environment and what's going on with the DNA. MICHAEL MEANEY: Known as transcription factors. Never mind, you're stuck with small boobies." [laughs[ So yeah, it's embarrassing, but I believe everything happens for a reason. Nobody's arguing that women should do drugs when they're pregnant. You cant say that. I don't like to upset people. JAD: Plus, you know, Lamarck didn't get all the biological details right. But this was a really, really tough place to grow up. ROBERT: And this idea won him a lot of fans, including, not surprisingly, the Soviets. I just didn't think. PAT: This great. Yes, but creating an assumption that there is a class of people who don't deserve to procreate, who aren't worthy of procreating the human race, leads you down a path that we should have great concern about. The results are obvious to you. She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. And in1923, he actually comes to England. Yeah. Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. Lamarck said, You wanna know how a giraffe got its long neck?, One day this giraffe, mother giraffe, lets say, was looking up in the tree and saw some fruit, and had to stretch he neck, and stretch again. I think that's where Lamarck's ideas can be woven in and make some sense. JAD: In just two generations, these toads seem to have done something that should have taken, I don't know, 50, 100 generations? Kammerer thought, "Wow. ROBERT: Rewrite their their blueprint? OLOV BYGREN: It's a small forest area, very beautiful. And when I found out the bill didn't pass, I just thought, "I have to come up with something else. by Nolan Moore. That's a lot of people. And if you were eating a whole lot between 9 and 12, one-quarter. To any drug-addicted woman who will agree to have no more babies. Over the past five years, if you look at our tax return. Nobody has a right to do that to a baby. That the licking is changing the baby's DNA? MICHAEL MEANEY: Yep, Im a professor in the faculty of medicine at McGill University in Montreal. JAD: Hey, wait. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. JAD: I think all parents do this, is that you slip into this Lamarckian delusion that JAD: What you do with your kids can somehow rewrite all of that. PAT: Watching this, I couldn't help but think that Destiny's very existence is probably the most interesting argument against what Barbara is doing. JAD: Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. You must have internet access to do this). [chuckles], OLOV BYGREN: Yes, yes. Something happens on the molecular level. She's 20 months old. Last I heard she was living on the streets in LA. Lots of money. They present previous theories on evolution and then present the currently accepted Darwinian Theory of Evolution. The question that was stuck in my head right then was, "If you could choose between being born knowing that your life might end up like that and not like it is now, or not been born at all, what would you have done?". He was known for going around and giving, what he called, his big show lectures, where he would wow whole audiences of people. And youre saying that part of the DNA is covered up? [chuckles]. But here's what I did not know about DNA. You know, they say it only takes one time. JAD: And I know fate is gonna give them a couple random mutations in those genes. OLOV BYGREN: Something happens on the molecular level. [chuckles]. And she says, one day, this idea just came to her. She should be with me. You're now hearing Lamarck's name invoked these days because there are things beyond genes that we pass down to our children. [expletive] That was awesome. That's what I remember her saying. Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. Not only that. By all accounts a pretty good-looking guy. In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. ], That's their choice, but the babies don't have a choice.]. Who are they? ROBERT: Or how much humidity it preferred. Is that what you're saying? PAT: So by now it's 1994, and Barbara is thinking PAT: You know? We spay them. It was this struggle for a few years. DESTINY HARRIS: Not been born at all. The results are there. I know! I was just pissed at what they have done to my children. Like, I mean, as far as positives can go, I think I hit the jackpot. Because theyre reaching for the tops of trees. You know, inside these cells, in the center, coiled up in little spools, is the DNA. ], This could mean sterilization, it could mean getting an IUD.]. Assuming that you can survive the ordeal, and you grow up, and you have kids of your own, the data seems to say that your kids will benefit from your suffering. Visit our website. She said, "Thank you so much for the gift, I bought my son an excavator truck, remote control and some summer outfits." She got one. It happens. He thought it worked with humans, too. That's it. SAM KEAN: It was this struggle for a few years. I got to say this is spooky. Big questions are. PAT: Barbara started finding herself on panels with women who'd use drugs during their pregnancies. According to Darwin, life and changes are ruled by chance. ROBERT: So what is the licking doing then? They could eat twice, three times as much. As a parent, you are a tiny blip in a very, very, long story. Why would that happen? We are working to provide transcripts for as much of our programming as we can over time. So. All these chemicals racing by crashing into it, sticking, and one of the bits that gets covered up is that little bit that makes the proteins that create a maternal instinct. Yeah. LATIF: And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when were recording this, we have not broken the show. So some scientists began to ask Kammerer if they could look at his toads. You know? ROBERT: Frankly, this makes being 9, 10, 11, 12 like a rather crucial. I like you, I get the sense that there's a lot of warmth in you. OLOV BYGREN: So they didn't starve to death. And I packed up my stuff, it's pretty much done. And Barbara is not offering that. Yeah. Twitter: @wnycradiolab Language: English Contact: WNYC Radio 160 Varick St. New York, NY 10013 (646) 829-4000 Website: http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/ Email: radiolab@wnyc.org Episodes Golden Goose 2/17/2023 More I just got custody of my eight-year-old son. Okay, and then I just had to accept it. I don't know where she gets that from. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Jans Olaf, Hanna Kaiser, Heinrik Venvei. JAD: And these things are called, apparently, methyl groups. You just have to weigh it, is it worth it? In just two generations, these toads seem to have done something that should have taken, I don't know, 50, 100 generations? Plus, find other cool things we did in the past like miniseries, music videos, short films and animations, behind-the-scenes features, Radiolab live shows, and more. It's against the rules. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Cancer. And Destiny says she doesn't really care DESTINY HARRIS: I got these genes from somewhere, but I kind of feel like she was a surrogate, like she carried me for my real mom. You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. Everybody we talked to seems to think there's something really interesting going on here. So they can grab onto the female and hold tight while they're mating. I'm Sam Kean's dad. JAD: And what about the four kids that weren't raised with Barbara? Like, "How did this happen? It's only the mechanisms are not so clear. You're not leaving this hospital unless you have long-term birth control.". [laughs] Can you say, "Never, ever?" OLOV BYGREN: Well It's one-fourth, we can we say. Radiolab is on YouTube! And she told Barbara, "There's something you need to know about this baby.". She's somewhere, but it's not good from what we've heard. And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. So almost instantaneously, the mother's tongue has reached into the baby's brain cells. Michael and Frances looked inside the brains of these rats and what they saw was that the rats who had been licked a lot as babies, they had more stuff in their head. But wouldnt it be nice if thats how it worked? Here, Kammerer's was saying, "You can do this even on a physical level.". When Emil gets to be eight, I'm cutting him off. _. Radiolab is on YouTube! She'll be two in January. So, somehow, by some chemical mechanism, starving grandpa, back when he was about 9 to 12 years old, turned out to be a good thing. Like. PAT: She actually emailed me afterwards and adjusted that number down a couple hundred. Yeah, it drifts into something like a shopping channel. It's a guided audio tour through cities where Radiolab Ken Burns and others. ROBERT: And rewrite the so-called rules of genetics. LULU: Oh actually, real thing, before we go, Latif. You know, they say it only takes one time. PAT: In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. And again, Barbara thinks, "Come on, but if this little girl is here, she should be with her brother and sister. His famous example was giraffes. Is that a genetic hatred of whistling that I just had? Catch up with new episodes and hear classics from our archive. JAD: How do those cycles perpetuate? [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Whats this letter right here? Oh, that's a lot of potatoes. JAD: And thats wrong [laughs].Thats not how it works. This lady right here is still taking drugs and she could be pregnant again next month.]. We all know this, that there are cycles of abuse or whatever. PAT: And Barbara found herself returning to a thought she'd kind of always had. That's a lot of people. ROBERT: What do you mean? According to Frances, it's not just sitting up there perfectly preserved, it's in the middle of the cell, it's crowded. JAD: We ended up talking to the guy who did the work. He thought that because theyre swinging hammers all day, they got big bulky muscles, and then theyd pass the muscles to their children. JAD: I want to start with a parental day dream for a second. That was amazing. I had everybody's abuse on my back and I didn't care how we said it, or how we did it. Stick around. And one of them is called the thyroid system. LYNN PALTROW: The fact that you're motivated by a really beautiful, important value, that we want healthy kids, doesn't mean the mechanism you're using is going to end up helping those kids. Life is hard.". [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Well lets lets read the book first. If you start smoking when you're 10, 11 something like that, you end up having children with more problems. They like to hang out in the water and the females like to lay eggs in the water. I just didnt think. Thyroid hormones then get into the brain and they turn on certain neural chemical signals. Yeah. BARBARA HARRIS: I mean, I'm married to a Black man. Methylations, phosphorylation, and so on. Or is it? Okay, so lets get going and stick with your boy, Lamarck, just for a sec. It takes a while. Yes. JAD: How do these simple little traits get passed forward? Can you say oh my goodness? ", In other words, "Could I pay women who have drug problems to stop having babies?". JAD: That is impossible, so far as we know, but there seems to be this layer on top of the genes. [foreign language]. Because the truth is, you have no idea how these kids are going to turn out. This was a really radical place at the time because you have to remember that people studying animals up till now, they were basically studying preserved specimens, and so on. So imagine the DNA in that brain cell. I just didn't think. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. And The other day someone was whistling and I was like, "Stop it", and it just hit me, I was like, "Oh God, I was him", it's never appeared until now. Yes, she has the same name as me. SAM KEAN: And he would basically turn the heat way, way up in these aquariums until they had to go underwater. So that's fun. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. A little village? I mean, he hates water. It goes back to the 1800s. PAT: A year later, she gets another call. You're slippery, partner's slippery. Who gave Destiny her first checkup told Barbara That she was delayed and she was always going to be delayed because of her prenatal neglect. ROBERT: Okay, so lets get going and stick with your boy, Lamarck, just for a sec. CARL ZIMMER: But but theres like some hope here because JAD: Okay, all right, this is interesting. He extended this idea to people. ROBERT: But, this hour were gonna fight this sort of sad sack feeling of inevitability and impotence. ROBERT: Is that what you're saying? JAD: But according to Kammerer, here's what happened when he heated up the toads little cage. And they had more. ROBERT: You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? That kind of 30 years? We talked to her for a little while and At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. PAT: And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. It's just a mind crushing tedium. Find ratings and reviews for the newest movie and TV shows. When they got another call from a social worker saying that same mother, Destiny's birth mother, had given birth to another child. JAD: Now the Sweden story from our last segment left us both feeling a little strange. ], I'd like everybody to meet, please, Barbara Harris. CARL ZIMMER: He hit the lecture circuit and he hit it big. SAM KEAN: The sperm carries these marks to the next generation. And there were from the beginning. That you can, somehow, by just being nice to them, reading them stories, or whatever, that you can somehow break them free of all that. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: To any drug-addicted woman who will agree to have no more babies. Like have you ever had one of those moments where you suddenly are your dad and it catches you off guard? And that number, by the way, has grown a lot. You have to do that for five hours a day for six consecutive days. ROBERT: Instead of dying at 40, I'd live to 70? JAD: And at first, it didn't go so well because, you know, if you're a land toad and you're trying to have sex in the water, it's kind of hard. PAT: Filled with dozens of letters from women that she's paid. And um PAT: Doctors would later explain to Barbara that Destiny's mom had been addicted to drugs while she was pregnant. You know? Are you nine? Like, mine are bigger, you know." We ended up talking to the guy who did the work. JAD: In those books you can read everything about the citizens of verkalix, going back hundreds of years. Oh actually, real thing, before we go, Latif. Like, "How did this happen? PAT: And by this point, she's 37 years old. Listen Feb 10, 2023 Bliss When did you last shout from happiness? CARL ZIMMER: But there were a lot of skeptics. That's my little girl. A lot of times that's not the case. 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